tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post6608972764213993318..comments2024-03-18T11:15:08.772+01:00Comments on Between Write and Wrong: The fault in our laughs, on KarvachauthSakshihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13127774513800413908noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-74466822681519243572017-04-02T17:56:36.939+02:002017-04-02T17:56:36.939+02:00There are a few advances which just cover the real...There are a few advances which just cover the real development time. Alternate advances are known as "development to changeless" advances. In this sort of credit, once the development work is done, the borrower can alter to his preferred perpetual financing. <a href="https://www.usacheckcashingstore.com/san-diego" rel="nofollow">Cash Advance San-diego</a>Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13572273321788874514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-23090290581096620292017-03-26T11:05:55.772+02:002017-03-26T11:05:55.772+02:00Are there any choices in this situation? Most like...Are there any choices in this situation? Most likely there must be an approach to secure the property wanted at a lower cost? One alternative is purchase a forsaken property and revamp it, another choice is buy a land plot and build your coveted home, however are both of these choices truly fiscally practical. <a href="https://www.usacheckcashingstore.com/san-diego" rel="nofollow">cash advance</a>markohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15554306713217181551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-51941926753975749782014-10-20T04:54:15.988+02:002014-10-20T04:54:15.988+02:00Thanks, Vishal. :)Thanks, Vishal. :)Sakshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127774513800413908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-23204693653363327182014-10-18T22:11:15.565+02:002014-10-18T22:11:15.565+02:00An interesting and fresh perspective on Karwa Chau...An interesting and fresh perspective on Karwa Chauth. I believe it's a matter of choice but the post makes us think on its essence in a very healthy way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-58231711854189613162014-10-18T18:06:25.433+02:002014-10-18T18:06:25.433+02:00uh - Did already... son #1 is 5 years out of Unive...uh - Did already... son #1 is 5 years out of University. Younger one is in first year. They picked, I sat on the sideline pontificating... No. I will and do totally stand by it. Choice wins.<br /><br />Which is why I boil all religion down to lifestyle choices, stripped of rituals, stripped of constraints, stripped of dogma, stripped of gods and godesses, stripped of the unexplainable that is brushed away as "because that's the way it is".<br /> <br />Logic, rationality -> Choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-33439253309596532472014-10-18T12:19:23.187+02:002014-10-18T12:19:23.187+02:00Interesting point there, Swati. This is exactly wh...Interesting point there, Swati. This is exactly what I wanted to observe in the world that I live in on FB. So you too have noticed! :)<br />I am glad you liked this and even more that you agreed!Sakshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127774513800413908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-66423857708171616642014-10-18T12:18:13.878+02:002014-10-18T12:18:13.878+02:00I like how you just defined two types of liberty -...I like how you just defined two types of liberty - liberty of making a choice and that of taking liberty with another's choice.<br />Very good to see you reading me, Ananya. Thank you!Sakshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127774513800413908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-11653193608757579862014-10-18T12:16:02.614+02:002014-10-18T12:16:02.614+02:00Perfect example of how the only person directing y...Perfect example of how the only person directing your personal choices is you. :)<br />Kudos, Datta!Sakshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127774513800413908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-50894717934002100652014-10-18T12:15:17.994+02:002014-10-18T12:15:17.994+02:00That's the right attitude to have, Alka.
Than...That's the right attitude to have, Alka. <br />Thanks for reading!Sakshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127774513800413908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-80921886150755705672014-10-18T12:14:40.402+02:002014-10-18T12:14:40.402+02:00Very interesting idea, Slo. I have myself read abo...Very interesting idea, Slo. I have myself read about women preferring to wear a veil for it makes them feel protected and freer inside it. Goes to show when we take up cudgels for a cause, we should know the mind of the people we are trying to 'uplift'. Else, it's only asking them to leave one school of codified thought in order to enter into another. A thought-process cannot be initiated by jokes or by coercion. Sakshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127774513800413908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-47744435008602090952014-10-18T12:12:01.112+02:002014-10-18T12:12:01.112+02:00Even if you had not added your comment to this pie...Even if you had not added your comment to this piece, I would have known your thoughts exactly. You are a fine example of a woman who hasn't been given the ritual by the family but who found meaning and significance in it of your own accord. How a woman's wish gets curtailed by those trying to help is saddening. <br />I don't care about bashing. Like you! :)Sakshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127774513800413908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-3637235860898202042014-10-18T12:08:16.057+02:002014-10-18T12:08:16.057+02:00You are a cool cool mom and mom-in-law, Ritu. Luck...You are a cool cool mom and mom-in-law, Ritu. Lucky family! Sakshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127774513800413908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-78836919345400502342014-10-18T12:07:37.165+02:002014-10-18T12:07:37.165+02:00Except societal attitudes donning more contemporar...Except societal attitudes donning more contemporary exteriors, nothing get changed as fast as we may like to believe or even wish, Beloo. You are right. Grays don't interest because we expect a B/W world which is easier to categorise, live in and label accordingly. <br />"People who are quick to mock at something or condemn or criticise something aren't bothered with any such research." - Just what I am saying. <br />Good to know you believe in giving people their personal spaces, Beloo. In all this cacophony, some of us feel more lost than found when it comes to rejecting/accepting certain rituals. <br />You are free to go on and on in this space, Beloo. Thank you for a wonderful comment to this post.Sakshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127774513800413908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-67903283423287042272014-10-18T12:03:05.501+02:002014-10-18T12:03:05.501+02:00Are you sure you will trot this out when it's ...Are you sure you will trot this out when it's time for them to pick courses? Hm! I wish I could say this with as much confidence regarding my child. He's 3.5 years already and has NO direction in his life!! :D<br />Kudos to your wife. She seems to have arrived at a personal decision much faster than so many of us. 'The mirth and mockery' is recent and an off-shoot of our distorted sense of progressiveness. Also, an arm of 'my way or highway'. <br />I totally understand what a grave and serious man you are, Slo. I really feel lucky to have 'found' a reader such as your shaving gel ... er .. I mean you! :D<br />Excused!Sakshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127774513800413908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-1221406604703081222014-10-18T02:40:53.442+02:002014-10-18T02:40:53.442+02:00Sakshi well written piece on KC! In fact last year...Sakshi well written piece on KC! In fact last year I had even commented on the fact why there are no such hue and cry over the chatt pooja celebrated by women of Bihar and UP and of course Teej -- both are much difficult fasts as compared to Karwa Chauth where we eat our sargi before the sunrise and then after praying to moon have a proper dinner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-79322871478813772202014-10-17T20:47:44.217+02:002014-10-17T20:47:44.217+02:00As usual beautifully written !
I am a south Indian...As usual beautifully written !<br />I am a south Indian so we dont celebrate KC as a ritual. Last year I was a newly wed and my first KC day was just like any other day. But this year I have friends who celebrate KC, few who dont drink even water and others who eat dry fruits and drink water n tea etc... I was invited to celebrate the evenin ..<br />I am diabetic so faasting is out of question.. So i decided to eat fruits and drink tea,water and not eat a meal. Since I did it so did my husband on his on own will.<br />It was really fun evening .. we followed their rituals and where we live catchin a glimpse of moon is impossible...<br />But the point is some ritual which might not mean much to me...means something really strong to others so I am at liberty to choose to do but not at right to make fun of it !Ananyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05156727486680867354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-25752623207437468702014-10-17T12:20:43.080+02:002014-10-17T12:20:43.080+02:00It is your belief, it is your choice and nothing e...It is your belief, it is your choice and nothing else...why poke fun...why so many jokes are circling around. As per me I do not fast as it is not a ritual for me since I am a Bengali and I believe if you follow something follow it completely so, I may goof up that is why I don't. Now again I do not roam around with white and red bangles because they strike every time I type and I am super conscious about them breaking. I do not eat before my husband....sounds regressive? well on the other hand I never changed my surname So, it is the matter of choice and about not being bothered about what the world says Datta Ghoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08375800182580592805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-56220829973296819602014-10-17T10:50:28.416+02:002014-10-17T10:50:28.416+02:00I don't care what others say. I am not answera...I don't care what others say. I am not answerable to anyone. As you say, the market forces and television have painted the ritual with regressive shades. Alka Gurhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12050387590729571321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-3367286780106903892014-10-17T09:15:04.422+02:002014-10-17T09:15:04.422+02:00I went back to read it again and was reminded of m...I went back to read it again and was reminded of my brother-in-law. He came from a fairly conservative family, was a high ranking army officer and spent a large part of his life on peacekeeping missions with the UN in troubled spots around the world (some really unsavory areas).<br /><br />His comment "When people in the US say that women in places like Afghanistan etc are backward and they want to get them to revolt against the burkha, they don't seem to realise that it isn't totally about free will and yet it is. For that is the only thing they have known and is ingrained in them through generations. You cannot expect them to become comfortable suddenly without a burkha. It isn't about revolution but evolution. it is NOT like they are dying to ditch the burkha and start out on miniskirts and bikinis"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-39694350689218763012014-10-17T07:54:14.123+02:002014-10-17T07:54:14.123+02:00Sakshi, big hugs to you for writing this piece tha...Sakshi, big hugs to you for writing this piece that I have been waiting for you to write. I completely relate to this piece because I have experienced it all last year with you. Progressiveness to some means making fun of others. People do not understand the difference between being helpful and being hurtful. I am completely fine with people who are working hard to pull us out of outdated and meaningless patriarchal rituals and traditions. What I do not understand is the way they try to. Honestly, my last year's experience is what kept me aloof from social media this Karwachauth. I am one of those who observe the fast. It was neither mandated by my parents or my in-laws. In fact both these sides do not have this ritual. I found the whole idea interesting and I do fast in my own way which is slightly different from the order prescribed in texts and by elders. But what I'm trying to highlight here is what Sfurti said. It is purely my choice. Nobody is forcing me to. I also know that me remaining hungry and thirty in no way can save or lengthen my husband's life. But I do it, because I wish to do it. Period. I am sure you'll be bashed the same way I was bashed last year for having supported the fasters and being a part of it. But I am also sure that you're strong enough to handle such a crowd. Kudos!Rekhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13233279907027595531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-9328146961762624652014-10-17T07:14:39.176+02:002014-10-17T07:14:39.176+02:00I told the daughter-in-law to keep it when she wis...I told the daughter-in-law to keep it when she wishes, avoid it if she did not think it made sense. She kept it for two years and then gave it up. Its cool. I am a big fan of her getting decked up, and I love it when she goes the whole hog, mehendi, churi, make up, jewelry. But it is strictly up to her. Son concurs. As for me? I don't believe in it.Rituhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311661584182041901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-36602589654012802942014-10-17T07:06:56.181+02:002014-10-17T07:06:56.181+02:00You know, I used to try and fight such fights many...You know, I used to try and fight such fights many many years ago in online forums before the present-day social forums :) It is in a way somewhat frustrating to see that not much gets ever changed as far as societal attitudes go when it comes to anything that has to do with women's choices. Black and white - that's the only way majority would like to see and categorise things. Grays don't interest anyone. Social media has actually worsened the problem, with all its silly humor and jokes, as you correctly point out. <br /><br />But what I feel even more strongly about is the fact that there still persists much lack of information/knowledge about the deeper spirit behind any rituals or traditions our society ever came up with. Or any interest in even researching/discovering if there was any deeper purpose or spirit behind any of the rituals. Was this Karvachauth really about praying for husband's life or was it more about women-camaraderie? Did it have anything to do with any connection between lunar cycle and the cycle of Nature's creative force? What about any connection with agricultural/harvesting cycle? Even what is the deeper reason for fasting, any fasting? People who are quick to mock at something or condemn or criticise something aren't bothered with any such research. It is very easy to make fun of everything traditional, it takes effort and sincere quest to know why some traditions existed and what traditions need to go and why. <br /><br />Personally, whether I observe the fast is immaterial, but as a woman I applaud the choices of women who do and also of those who don't, whatever their reason may be. Even if their choices are dictated by peer pressure (to observe or not to observe), I would rather have people figure out their own journeys of coming to terms with their choices. <br /><br />I avoid all such stuff on FB, and now you know why. Because when I start talking about this stuff I can go on and on...so I stop now :)Beloo Mehrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10514874213623046284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-4797299161625312812014-10-17T06:28:48.898+02:002014-10-17T06:28:48.898+02:00excuse the typos in the last line - a "which&...excuse the typos in the last line - a "which" and an "on" are missing.<br /><br />We're finicky, that way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4960082414020218571.post-35460916442755760112014-10-17T06:14:54.346+02:002014-10-17T06:14:54.346+02:00Choice. I'd like to think that when I am gone,...Choice. I'd like to think that when I am gone, my kids will remember me as the guy who always said "It is about having choices in your hand, not letting someone else choose for you". I will trot this out whenever it is time for them to pick courses, make life decisions etc.<br /><br />As far as Karva Chauth goes: ah hmmm. Here is a Punjabi husband's warped view on it. It means not a jot to me. I did not ask my (albeit Bong) wife to follow the ritual nor did I ask her to to quit. The choice was hers. She quit after year 1 and hasn't acknowledged the day in the last 29 years. The mirth and mockery must be a recent phenomenon, for that wasn't the case when I was in India.<br /><br />You make a good point, the peer pressure being applied is essentially no different to the pressure to conform applied by the other side. <br /><br />Personally, I do not believe in rituals, except the ones that dictate leg goes first into my pants, which leg the sock goes first, and which side of my face gets the shave gel first. Just the serious stuff, you understand?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com